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Town of Estes Park, Larimer County, Colorado, January 25, 2021
Minutes of a scheduled meeting of the Sidewalk & Trail Needs Task Force of the Trans-
portation Advisory Board of the Town of Estes Park, Larimer County, Colorado. Meeting
held virtually on the 25th day of January, 2021
Task Force: Belle Morris, Ann Finley, Larry Gamble, Linda Hanick, Scott Moulton
Attending: Belle Morris, Larry Gamble, Linda Hanick, Ann Finley, Greg Muhonen,
Ryan Barr, Christy Crosser, David Hook, Christy DeLorme, and Blake Robertson
Absent: Scott Moulton
Chair Morris called the meeting to order at 12:02 p.m.
PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT
The Task Force Meeting was advertised and a link to the virtual meeting was provided.
No members of the public participated in the meeting.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Gamble informed the group that future meeting dates included in the January 11
minutes had been updated to show scheduled Task Force meetings on January 25 and
February 1.
A motion was made and seconded (DeLorme/Robertson) to approve the January 11
meeting minutes as amended and all were in favor.
NEW BUSINESS
Chair Morris began the meeting by informing the group that there are two Task Force
initiatives in progress. One is a survey for students and parents about impediments to
walking or riding a bike to/from school. The second initiative is a boots-on-the-ground
engineering audit of multi-use paths within a 1-mile radius of the school campus.
Public Works Director Muhonen ask the group if there should be a third item on the
agenda to determine TAB, the Task Force, and Town staff roles in Graves Avenue pro-
ject. He indicated it would be ideal to clarify involvement and to look for efficiencies.
Chair Morris informed the Task Force that she had talked to school representatives to-
day (January 25), and they told her that the school had already completed a survey.
She was unaware of this and requested that the Task Force be provided with the survey
results and data.
Director Muhonen pointed out that the survey referenced by the school district was for
the Brodie Avenue project, not the upcoming Graves Avenue project. He reiterated that
this is why it is so important that we know who is involved and what they are doing.
Finley wanted to make sure that the survey the Task Force has been working on is not
redundant. Following further discussion it was clarified that the school district distributed
pre- and post-project surveys for the Brodie Avenue project as required by SRTS and
using a standard SRTS web portal. The target audience was elementary and middle
school parents and school staff. Approximately 600 survey invitations were sent out,
and there were about 60 responses. Town staff will communicate with the Colorado
SRTS contractor to determine if the Brodie Avenue surveys can be used for the Graves
Avenue pre-project survey. This is particularly relevant since the post-project survey for
Brodie Avenue was administered in November 2020, and teachers were included as
part of that survey. The Task Force is also considering if additional survey questions
would be useful in understanding impediments to walking or biking to school.
Project Manager Hook shared some of the Brodie Avenue pre- and post-project survey
data on screen. The pre-project survey was conducted July - December, 2017. The sur-
vey report he shared was generated on October 24, 2017, and the SRTS grant applica-
tion was submitted on November 1, 2017. A Student Travel Tally Report was completed
in fall, 2010. Hook mentioned that there were 21 school staff responses to 3 questions,
and 40 responses on behalf of middle school students, which resulted in good data to
evaluate.
Given the recently completed Brodie Avenue post-project survey Gamble suggested
that the Task Force take a pause to evaluate the survey data before proceeding. The
survey data could have some bearing on the engineering audit as well.
Chair Morris recommended that the Task Force should take the time to understand the
recent survey data, but continue to work on the multi-use path audit. She thought it
would be beneficial to have “citizen eyes” on the survey results and to identify gaps that
could help to design future surveys.
Finley agreed with Morris’ assessment and requested that the survey results be sent to
the TAB Task Force members.
Director Muhonen mentioned that he did not realize that the most recent survey had
been completed in December, but we should be thankful that we now have recent sur-
vey results to use.
Chair Morris indicated that she did hear back from some folks about the audit checklist,
and she, too, had some feedback to offer. She asked if the audit would strictly focus on
engineering aspects, or should it also look at human (experiential) dimensions?
Director Muhonen’s guidance was to generate useful information that the Town and oth-
ers can act on.
Hanick agreed that experiential information would be useful. She pointed out that there
are no definitive questions on crosswalks and what contributes to making them unsafe.
For example, the crosswalk on East Elkhorn Avenue just east of Kind Coffee feels un-
safe to her. There is no way to know if a car is going to stop if a pedestrian is at the
crosswalk.
Robertson pointed out that cars not stopping at crosswalks really requires a “time and
motion” study, and is episodic in nature. He does have a pocket radar that could be
used to measure traffic speed during an audit. He suggested that the auditors could
identify potential safety and experiential issues that could be studied in more detail at a
future time.
Gamble agreed that auditors may not capture experiential issues during the short time
they would have boots-on-the-ground.
Chair Morris pointed out that SRTS has resources for conducting a walking audit, and it
it is best to have several people involved in order to capture multiple observations, in-
cluding experiences. She wanted to know what information should be collected to help
drive decision making? Would experiential information be useful?
Director Muhonen stated that it would be good to know why people feel unsafe, and
what would make it safer.
Chair Morris believes it would be good to know how people are traveling (pushing
strollers, etc.) as well as understanding if travelers feel safe.
Crosser pointed out that the walking audit will help Public Works come up with an SRTS
plan, and once the plan is in place, the Town can apply for SRTS funding.
DeLorme wanted to make sure that the Task Force isn’t duplicating survey work that
has already been done. She supports the boots-on-the-ground survey and believe it will
provide important information.
Chair Morris ask the group if more experiential data should be collected?
DeLorme raised a question about what would be done with such information? She
wanted the Task Force to focus on data it can collect and to look at ways to make things
better such as with lighting or signage.
Chair Morris pointed out that just because a new sidewalk gets built does not mean
people will use it. Especially if it isn’t inviting for people, which is more of an environ-
mental or aesthetic condition, like landscaping, along the walkway. She would like our
walkways to feel welcoming. Morris added that planting a tree or shrub
along a path helps with aesthetics, but also can assist with wind barrier needs.
Given our climate, wind can be a barrier to walking or biking to school or to
downtown.
Finley suggested that in the audit checklist we could merge that “hard” engineering with
the “soft” experiential data collection. This could be done within the subcategories in the
checklist.
Robertson suggested using health and safety as metrics instead of experience. Experi-
ential becomes more complex because what some may see as aesthetically pleasing
could cause some users to feel unsafe. For example, a hedge running along a sidewalk.
Director Muhonen believes that more open ended questions either in a survey or on the
checklist could work. For example, “Does this feel safe? If not, why not?”
Chair Morris reminded the group that the assessment should not just be for pedestrian
users, but also for bikes and other modes of transportation. For this reason, it was sug-
gested that the best term to use would be “multi-use path.”
Barr recommended that the checklist should retain “Yes” and “No” responses, but
should also include more open ended questions and responses. The checklist should
identify specific problems, and specific problem locations should be noted. The checklist
should include a component on drainage, and where there are large vertical drops along
a multi-use path that could be made safer. He pointed out that the survey template that
has been administered at the schools is a standard SRTS survey. The Task Force could
identify gaps in the standard template. He recommended that the Task Force should
look at the current survey results with an eye toward encouraging more walking and bik-
ing participation in the future.
Director Muhonen asked what the role of the Task Force should be on the Graves Ave-
nue project. He pointed out that during the project there will be opportunities for TAB to
comment. He wanted to know if TAB or the Task Force desired to provide additional in-
put.
Chair Morris stated that she would like to look at the Brodie Avenue survey results and
then decide on the TAB or Task Force role in the Graves Avenue project.
Director Muhonen stated that the contractor will be collecting topographic and other land
surveying data. There could be a boots-on-the-ground pedestrian survey, and infor-
mation gathered at that time could be shared with the contractor if desired. This should
happen in February.
Barr recommended that the Task Force should focus on development of an SRTS plan
that would identify the next project that Public Works should pursue.
Hook said that it would be desirable to have a list of deficiencies to pass along to the
consultant for the Graves Avenue project. This needs to happen soon.
Crosser shared a list of SRTS items that would be desirable to have the Task Force
work on. This included education, encouragement, evaluation, etc.
Roberson suggested that the Graves Avenue project would be a good first effort for the
Task Force and would provide an idea of what can actually be accomplished. It would
help to fine tune the process and procedures. It would also help the group to understand
the difference between experiential data and health and safety data.
Chair Morris agreed that it would be good to do a walk through of the Graves Avenue
project and use the newly developed checklist. Those who agreed to participate are
Morris, Gamble, Hanick, and Robertson
Action Items
1. Crosser or Hook to share 2010, 2017, and 2020 survey results with Task Force
members
2. Task Force members will review the survey results with an eye toward how the re-
sults can be applied to the Graves Avenue project, the multi-use path audit, and fu-
ture SRTS efforts.
3. Public Works will contact the Colorado SRTS contractor to determine if the post-pro-
ject Brodie Avenue survey can also serve as the pre-project survey for the Graves
Avenue project
4. Gamble will revise the audit checklist and will make it available before the next Task
Force meeting on February 1
5. Morris will arrange for a boots-on-the-ground survey of the Graves Avenue project
sometime in February.
Meeting adjourned at 1:20 p.m.