HomeMy WebLinkAboutMINUTES Joint Estes Park Planning Commission & Larimer County Planning Commission 1996-12-03BRADFORD PUBLISHING CO.RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
PLANNING COMMISSION - JOINT PUBLIC HEARING
December 3, 1996
Estes Park Planning Commission:
Chairman Al Sager, Commissioners Mark Brown, Harriet Burgess,
John Gilfillan, Alma Hix, Edward Pohl, and David Thomas
Attending:
Chairman Sager, Commissioners Brown, Burgess, A. Hix, Pohl,
Thomas
Absent:
Commissioner Gilfillan
Larimer County Planning Commission:
Chairman Edward Haimes, Commissioners Wendell Amos, Ray Dixon,
Michael Doten, Steve Johnson, Leonard Roark, Peter Salg, Linda
Stanley, George Wallace
Attending:
Chairman Haimes, Commissioners Amos, Dixon, Doten, Johnson,
Roark, Salg, Stanley, Wallace
Also Attending:
Town Administrator Ga^ Klaphake, EPURA Director Art Anderson,
Town Attorney Greg White, Trustee Liaison George Hix, Trustees
Baudek and Marshall, Community Development Director Stephen
Stamey, Larimer County Planning Director Larry Timm, Larimer
County Chief Planner Russell Legg, Senior Planner Robert
Joseph, Secretary Roxanne Botic
Chairman Sager called the meeting to order at 4:35 p.m.
INTRODUCTIONS/PROCEDURES
Chairman Sager explained the purpose and procedures of the
Joint Public Hearing with the Estes Park Planning
Commissioners and Larimer County Planning Commissioners. This
began in 1993 with the formation of the Intergovernmental
Agreement on March 21, 1994; both Planning Commissions, Town
Trustees, County Commissioners and related staff members have
worked with consultant Design Studios West, to compile this
Comprehensive Plan. Members of the Estes Park Planning
Commission and Larimer County Planning Commission were
introduced. Chairman Sager reviewed the procedures for the
Public Hearing and recognized Director Stamey.
PRESENTATION - OVERVIEW OF THE ESTES VALLEY COMPREHENSIVE PT.AN
- DIRECTOR STAMEY.
Planning Process:
• Process began 3 years ago
• Informational brochure with Workshop schedules was
mailed to every mailing address within the Valley
• 8 community wide workshops held during Phase I
• 28 Planning Area Workshops
• 6 open houses
• 17 member task force met for 1*5 years
• Recent community update
• Joint Town/County effort
• Individual notification to property owners of
existing zoning, proposed future land use, and type
of change
• 2 community surveys to test community input
• Issues
Lack of affordable housing
Increased development pressures
Loss of open space
Need for intergovernmental cooperation
Decrease in environmental quality
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The Plan outlines a future vision and direction for
development based on community values
The Comprehensive Plan does not propose no growth
or unlimited growth; plan reflects moderation and
managed growth
Talmey-Drake Surveys in 1993 and 1995
• Quality of Life
• Trends
• Problems - volunteered response
• Rate of growth
• Growth issues (physical /natural)
On-going outreach - notification to property owners
• Responses
• All responses mapped
• Staff re-examined every 'no' and 'no opinion'
• Issues considered: Existing land use, existing
zoning, proposed future land use, extent and effect
of proposed change, site characteristics,
neighborhood context, personal contacts with
owners, site visits. Staff made revisions to a
number of parcels.
• Review Committee (Mayor Dekker, Trustee Doylen and
Commissioner Disney). Committee reviewed staff
recommendations and examined broader policy issues.
• Changes were made in response to public input.
• Recommendation to approach future land use
development with a system of locational and
service capacity performance standards.
• Performance standards will consider factors
such as: access, slope, highway corridor,
site disturbance, riparian systems, open
space, night lighting, utility service,
wildfire, wildlife, TDR's, visual impacts, PUD
approaches.
Future Land Use Plan
• Plan will serve as a guide for the Town and County
• Articulates a common vision for the future
• Informs citizens, landowners and developers of the
desired future land use character of the valley
• Based on public input, environmental features, with
a proposal to develop a uniform set of land use
categories and land use standards and procedures
between the Town and County
• Establish a joint Town/County Planning Commission
for the Estes Valley
There are approximately 6,800 acres which are vacant or
with no improvements (1,000 in town, 5,800 out of town).
Future Land Use Categories were described
• Residential
• Commercial
• Accommodations
• Industrial
• Public Lands
Performance Standards
• While some standards do limit density, other
standards are aimed at quality of development.
• Measurable - the developer, public. Commissions and
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staff should all be able to come to the same
conclusions.
Major goal - to reduce Special Review and
discretionary nature of that system.
Growth Projections were reviewed
• Residential - Potential for approximately 20,145
people.
• Commercial - Potential for approximately 1.34
million sq. ft. of new space.
• Build on strength per Dr. Adams (tourism and
retirees, Mart retailer, finance, insurance,
services).
Mobility
Existing Levels of Service
• Obviously shows downtown congestion
Short Term
• Highway 34/7 improvements
• Downtown circulation and parking plan
• Highway 34/36 parking lot and transit system
Long Range
• Outlying parking/transit
• Valley-wide trail system
Lily Lake to YMCA
Devils Gulch/Dry Gulch
Marys Lake - Fish Creek
• US Highway 34-36 by-pass connection west of
downtown
Comprehensive Plan Policies in the following areas were
reviewed:
Land Use Policies
Community Design
Growth Management Policies
Mobility and Circulation Policies
Housing Policies
Scenic and Environmental Quality
Economic Policies
Intergovernmental Coordination
Town and County to work together to:
• Create an Estes Valley Planning Commission
• Develop a uniform set of development
regulations and standards
• Implement the Comprehensive Plan
• Encourage redevelopment and infill in order to
prevent sprawl
A joint partnership shall be created between the
Town, Estes Park Urban Renewal Authority, Larimer
County, Rocky Mountain National Park, and other
state and federal agencies to promote integrated
planning
Comprehensive Plan Action Plan/Recommended Actions were
reviewed.
• Land Use
• Growth Management
• Mobility and Circulation
• Housing
• Intergovernmental Agreement
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Summary
Comprehensive Plan addresses about growth
management and quality of life.
Community supports managing the rate of growth,
density, overall population and desire quality
development.
If nothing is done, impacts on tourism, schools,
traffic, open space and quality of life need to be
addressed.
The Plan proposes a uniform land use classification
system and standards between the Town and County.
Plan proposes creation of a joint Town/County
Planning Commission for the Estes Valley.
Plan provides a best fit for existing subdivisions.
Future land use categories are more sensitive to
natural features than existing zoning.
System of performance standards is proposed to be
developed to augment new regulations.
The Plan is economically sound.
Development of the Estes Valley Comprehensive Plan
has relied extensively on public participation over
a three year period.
The Plan represents Community values.
Introduction of Russell Legg, Chief Planner with Larimer
County, who stated:
• There has been public participation for several
years
• Larimer County Commission is:
1. Familiar with the Plan and area effected
2. Present to hear comments
3. Will provide direction to staff following the
hearing
4. All Commissioners including alternates present
at this Hearing
3. PUBLIC COMMENT
3.a. ORGANIZATIONS
E.V.I.A.
President Margaret Clark, 415 Elm Avenue, expressed
appreciation for Director Stamey's attendance at E.V.I.A.
study sessions and noted the following
concerns/suggestions:
• May need to add a Chapter/Section to address
adequate water and maintenance for clean air
• Definition lists of future land codes are
needed to assist with future study
• Grade and widen Marys Lake road to accommodate
traffic
• Add a Bike path from Beaver Point to YMCA
• Construction of affordable housing on Elm Road
• Require YMCA to plan ahead
• Implement standards to prevent building on
steep slopes in the future
• Place time limits on 'grandfathering'
• Request MacGregor Ranch to remain as is
Mrs. Clark suggested an annual review of the Plan and to
implement the next phase as soon as possible.
Vice President Bryan Michener, 2332 Mountainside Drive,
expressed appreciation for Mr. Stamey's presentation and
noted the following concerns:
• Would like to know the Performiance Standards
in Phase II; currently a "beautiful vision
statement without any teeth"
• Mobility - think in terms of valley
circulation
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• Additional staff may be needed to participate
in this process
• Transportation
LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS
Helen Plat, 201 Fall River Lane, commended the Town and
County for their recognition of complex problems and the
community for their active participation; the League of
Women Voters urges immediate adoption and to proceed with
implementation. She expressed the following should also
be examined:
• Water availability and air quality controls
• Growth management ordinance
ROCKY MOUNTAIN NATIONAL PARK
Larry Gamble, siunmarized the RMNP letter submitted to the
Commissioners. Mr. Gamble expressed support for a joint
Planning Commission, managing growth, and population
densities limits. RMNP was supportive of the March 96
Plan, however, has concerns with the latest revisions.
Performance standards are needed now.
ASSOCIATION FOR RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT
Glenn Mapes, 275 Waggoner Road, recognized Staff's work
and improvements made in the past year, however,
expressed concerns with zoning enforcement/variances.
3.b. INDIVIDUALS BY AREA
NORTH END
Ralph Nicholas, 1660 N. Ridge Lane, stated if the
Comprehensive Plan had been in place sooner, Storer Ranch
development could have been improved. He requested
performance standards address view corridors in
commercial areas.
Terry Parenti, 215 McGraw Ranch Road, President of the
North End Homeowners, expressed concern with timely
implementation, urging zoning and performance standards
to follow soon and a buffer zone between RMNP and Town
limits.
Rowland Retrum, 650 Freeman Court, questioned impact on
the Stanley Hotel Historic District.
FISH CREEK/LITTLE PROSPECT MOUNTAIN
Al Persons, 1000 Woodland Court, admires the work on the
Plan, but is concerned with variances granted in the
past. He stated implementation is urgent and critical.
Judy Rosen, 333 Little Valley Road, expressed concerns
with rezoning for Little Valley area, loss of wildlife
and riparian habitat.
Jan Hagen, 1701 Windham Drive, President of Dunraven
Heights Association, expressed concerns with preservation
of wildlife, wetlands and views. She was concerned about
changes in the Fall River Corridor.
Ima Matthies, 1637 Black Squirrel, President of Little
Valley Homeowner's Association, expressed concern with
lots which are smaller than 2.5 acres and requested
definition of the category.
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CARRIAGE HILLS/MARYS LAKE
There were no speakers.
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SPUR 66
Bryan Michener, 2332 Mountainside Drive, noted the unique
position between the Town and RMNP and believes this is
a good model of community participation.
Frank Williams, 1738 Highway 66, requested the County
straighten Dry Gulch Road and expressed that the 100'
setback is too much and he has been unable to obtain a
variance.
Howard MacMillan, 3125 Eaglecliff Drive, President of
Spur 66 Association, noted the Association's enthusiasm
and endorsement of efforts to manage growth. They are
concerned with density of land bordering RMNP as well as
safety and traffic issues.
Harvey Griffith, 1570 Moraine Route, expressed concern
with the downzoning of his property which has been used
as a business for 25+ years.
BEAVER POINT
Nancy Brown, 1280 Giant Track Road, stated she and her
husband purchased their property 18 years ago and are
concerned with the proposed zoning and the financial
impact to them.
Jim Docter, 516 Grand Estates Drive, and owner of
property at 1112 Giant Track, expressed concern for the
financial impact with proposed zoning and believes his
individual rights will be jeopardized.
Eunice Docter, 516 Grand Estates Drive, expressed
appreciation for time and energy given to the
Comprehensive Plan. She questioned: how many land
owners were affected by the A-1 category, if personal
notifications were given, who collected responses, who
performed tallies, when the first draft will be ready,
amount of tax dollars being utilized in this process.
She feels that Town Staff does not understand her
concerns.
FALL RIVER ROAD
Charles Grigg, 790 Castle Mountain Road, (also owns 750
Castle Mountain Road) expressed his concern for his
property changing from R-M - R-2.
DOWNTOWN/GENERAL COMMENTS
Bill Van Horn, 2101 McGraw Ranch Road, stated he is a
lifelong resident concerned with maintaining the quality
of life and has been professionally involved in the land
planning process. He supports consistent regulations and
recognizes the purpose of the Plan. He is concerned with
zoning in Country Club Manor, affordable housing, a place
for mobile homes and sees a relationship between
affordable housing and density.
James Duell, District Manager of Estes Park Sanitation
District, expressed concern with the different zoning on
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the District's two lots.
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Chairman Sager closed the Public Hearing.
At 6:48 p.m. there was a break with the meeting resuming at
6:55 p.m.
STAFF COMMENTS/RESPONSE
Mr. Stamey responded to comments/questions stating not all
issues would be addressed this evening.
• The proposed future land use category A-1 is a compromise
in many locations.
Performance Standards comments:
Process originally planned in three phases
Phase I - community value setting
Phase II - development of Comprehensive Plan
Phase III - develop regulations
The Plan is a guide for Phase III; it is important to
continue with Phase III to develop standards and
criteria. There will be another series of public
workshops; funding is proposed for 1997.
RMNP comments to increase density adjacent to the Park -
if zoned T-Tourist, then density would be higher than
proposed A-1.
Ralph Nicholas' comment on view corridor in commercial
area; this is being considered to protect the view from
public spaces.
Rowland Retriim's concern with Stanley Property
• Stanley Historic District Master Development Plan
and Development Agreements are recognized in the
Comprehensive Plan, and will continue to be the
controlling standards.
• The Stanley Historic District was placed in
downtown area due to being within EPURA's area.
Little Valley Area - 10 acres to 2% acres concerns
• This is a future land use map, not a zoning map
• A letter was sent to their Homeowners' Association
• Language in Comprehensive Plan addressing minimum
lot area requirements - "Quote" -
Fall River A-1
Done to balance what has been there historically
Howard MacMillan's comments on Spur 66/Dietrich property;
Staff will follow-up with Mr. Dietrich
A-1 accessory uses - intent to be remain residential in
character
Staff did collect postcards and performed mapping, all
work reviewed by the Review Committee (Mayor Dekker,
Commissioner Disney and Trustee Doylen). All information
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was available to Review Coimnittee and provided in
notebook form.
The approach for the Comprehensive Plan is typical and
standard in Colorado.
Charles Grigg's concerns - there is a Plat restriction on
the Castle Mountain Plat which states each lot shall be
limited to two dwelling units. Mr. Grigg may seek legal
advice.
Bill Van Horn's comments on affordable housing and
Country Club Manor.
• There is language in the Plan to support affordable
housing; mobile homes are not initially eliminated;
currently allowed by Special Review in multi-family
district.
• Country Club Manor - no proposed land use category
for lots of their size; lots are of record and will
be utilized for residential purposes. Existing
uses have been recognized.
No comment on Boulder County process,
is streamlined and efficient.
The Town's process
• Estes Park Sanitation District concerns - Staff will
follow up to ensure identical zoning on both lots.
Town Attorney White spoke on issues of property rights from
the legal perspective. The proposed Comprehensive Plan is a
Plan, it has no effect on zoning of any individual parcel,
zoning is accomplished by elected officials of either Town and
County after notice and hearing. The purpose of the
Comprehensive Plan is to be a guide; there will be an
opportunity for public input during Phase III. People do not
have a vested property right in zoning which is recognized by
the Colorado Supreme Court and the United States Supreme
Court. Until application for a Building Permit is received,
there is no vested property right. The adoption of the
Comprehensive Plan will not rezone anyone's property within
the planning area.
5. PLANNING COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS OF STAFF
Director Stamey stated he would have a study session with each
Planning Commission and have a prepared Staff report by
December 17 and 18.
Commissioner Amos reviewed some of the process/changes and
asked the Commissioners be 'fundamentally fair'.
Chief Planner Legg stated the changes in the Giant Track area
were a result of a Petition from property owners and he has
requested large scale topographical maps for their study
session.
Director Stamey clarified the usage of PUDs,
Commissioner Brown commended a 'fair' approach and asked for
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consideration of compromise.
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Commissioner Johnson asked how many of the 483 objecting
property owners' parcels were modified. Director Stamey will
followup at the Larimer County Study Session. Mr. Johnson
stated while this is not a zoning map, it appears to be one
except for the title and questioned why performance standards
could not be done now. Mr. Stamey stated that residents are
ready to proceed.
Commissioner Amos stated the Plan has no strength until the
regulations are written and we will be operating under
existing regulations until that time.
Commissioner Wallace asked what modifications have taken place
since March to change the future land use categories. Mr.
Stamey responded.
Chief Planner Legg stated the most public comment/concern on
the RE-1 came from the Fall River workshops. He would like to
follow-up with his Commissioners at their Study Session
regarding Larry Gamble/RMNP comments. Commissioner Wallace
invited Larry Gamble to attend the Larimer County Study
Session.
Chairman Sager stated the Comprehensive Plan is scheduled to
be adopted at the December 17, 1996 Planning Commission
meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Estes Park and at the December 18,
1996, Larimer County Planning Commission meeting at 5:30 p.m.
at the County Court House (Ft. Collins).
Chairman Haimes asked for a motion to approve the Larimer
County Commission minutes of October 16, 1996. It was moved
and seconded (Wallace/Salg) the Larimer County Planning
Commission October 16, 1996 minutes be approved, and it passed
unanimously.
Chief Planner Legg reminded the Larimer County Commissioners
of the Study Session on December 12, 1996 at 5:30 p.m.
There being no further business. Chairman Sager adjourned the
meeting at 7:35 p.m.
Roxanne S. Botic, Recording Secretary