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Home My WebLink AboutMINUTES Estes Valley Planning Commission Study Session 1998-06-22BRADFORD PUBLISHING CO.RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Estes Valley Planning Commission - Study Session June 22,1998 Commission: Attending: Absent: TAC Members: Attending: Absent: Chair A1 Sager, Commissioners Wendell Amos, William Baird, Joyce Kitchen, Cherie Pettyjohn, Edward Pohl and Dominick Taddonio Commissioners Amos, Kitchen, Pettyjohn, Pohl, Sager, Taddonio Commissioner Baird Larry Gamble, Helen Hondius, Roger Thorp and Bill Van Horn Gamble, Hondius and Thorp Member Van Horn Also Attending Town: Trustee Liaison Baudek Director Stamey, Senior Planner Joseph, Recording Secretary Botic County: None The Meeting was called to order at 9:00 a.m. by Chair Sager. 1. COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION - DESIGN STANDARDS (DS) LED BY DIRECTOR STAMEY Director Stamey explained direction for Design Standards has come from the Comprehensive Plan (Chapter 6). RNL will review the DS in detail at the next meeting; Mr. Stamey reviewed his recommendations to EVPC/TAC. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. Combine all highway standards and general standards including Highway 7. Separate: • Downtown • Fall River • Repeat only additional requirements Width of corridor - define (200'?) 30' height definition Page 9 - Pitched roof^flat roof; Page 15 - 3.2, G3.9 Color (Munsell Book of Color) • Prohibit some colors/ - base/body • Allow only earth tones - Identify color pallette - “earth color”, “natural” wood • Color, materials apply to Single Family residential (Highway 7) Materials - Describe Building Shape - More discussion “Maximum extent feasible” - delete, modify, define Arch elevation examples - scaled - • 1 story, 2 story, 3 story - what is height relation? • Delete 36' height downtown. Staff is awaiting Larimer Coimty recommendations. Mr. Stamey also presented a map illustrating a 200' width highway corridor. Commissioner comments followed. General Comments 1. Syntax through out document, verbiage (Amos) 2. Ensure consistency of guidelines (should), standards (shall) throughout. (Amos) 3. Delete “maximum extent feasible”. What is thought behind? Is there other wording? (Amos, Pettyjohn) BRADFORD PUBLISHING CO.RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Estes Valley Planning Commission - Study Session June 22,1998 Page 2 4. Clarified interior subdivisions are not part of highway corridor. (Page 4) (Amos) 5. Change title to “Estes Valiev Design Standards and Guidelines. (Taddonio) 6. Define ‘good mountain architecture’ (Amos) Specific Comments Page 8 - Good Design Examples 1. Concern about listing examples, will someone be missed? 2. Prefer examples be in Appendix (Sager) Page 14, S3.1 - Building Design, Architectural Style, Architectural styles that... 1. Keep in American Southwest adobe and Rustic frontier and western town, stay withsome western tradition (Kitchen) 2. Geodesic dome structures are not ‘western’ (Taddonio) Page 14, S3.2 - Building Design, Materials & Colors, Building materials shall... 1. Concerns with ‘dictating’ materials to be used, financial impacts if required, uncomfortable with ‘sameness’. Uncomfortable with illustration (Pettyjohn) 2. Twenty selections available, ‘general guidelines’, not the same pattern (Pohl) Page 14, S3.3 - Building Design, Materials & Colors, The following wall... 1. Are pre-cast stone or cast prohibited (Kitchen)? Can be utilized very well, delete that portion (Stamey). Questioned this elimination (Amos) Page 15, S3.6 - Building Design, Materials & Colors, Buildings shall have... 1. Define Designs Standards and Guidelines (Amos) Page 15, S3.7 - Building Design, Architectural Detail, Roofs shall be pitched... 1. 4:12 acceptable (Kitchen) Page 15, S3.8 - Building Design, Architectural Detail, Buildings shall be... 1. Use should instead of shall, subjective creates problems (Taddonio) 2. Variety and visual interest - what does this mean, define and clarify specifically (Pettyjohn) Page 15, S3.9 - Building Design, Architectural Detail, Buildings shall be... 1. Large buildings may require flat roof, what is goal of eUminating? (Kitchen) Page 15, S3.ll - Building Design, Architectural Detail, Repetition of floor... 1. “Floor plans”; “where it creates...”, permissible if it does not create? Page 20, S1.6- Downtown Standards and Guidelines, Building Heights, Widths and Depth, Building widths shall... 1. “100 block of East Elkhom” - Don’t promulgate Old Plantation (Amos) Page 21, G1.9 - Downtown Standards and Guidelines, Building Heights, Widths and Depth, Comers may be... 1. Delete‘tower elements’(Amos) Page 24, S3.3 - Building Design, Architectural Detail, The existing pattern... 1. Clarify statement/intent (Kitchen) 2. Add ‘having’, ‘The existing pattern of having 2nd floor windows shall be maintained.’ 3. Intent to have 2nd floor? Be explicit (Taddonio) Page 24, S3.8 - Building Design, Architectural Detail, Awnings shall be... 1. Apply 9' rather than 8', as required with signage (Sager) BRADFORD PUBLISHING CO.RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Estes Valley Planning Commission - Study Session June 22,1998 Page 3 Page 28, S1.7 - US 36 Standards and Guidelines, View Corridors, Use Building heights shall... 1. Concerns with building heights on ridgelines, intrusive, this is unnecessary, denies property owner right to build on property (Sager) 2. Any building on ridgeline is a detraction, protrudes above ridgeline, maintain the ridgelines, this is like setting a setback (Amos) 3. If setback from ridgeline crest, improves skyline silhouette (Stamey) Page 30, S2.2, Site Design, Landscape, All commercial properties... 1. 30’ maximum spacing (Taddonio) Page 31, G3.1 - Building Design, Materials & Colors, Horizontal siding, traditional... 1. “Stone cladding over large portions” - why not appropriate (Kitchen) Page 31, S3.2 - Building Design, Architectural Detail, Long, continuous roof... 1. What is long, how long? (Taddonio) Page 32, S3.4 - Building Design, The Most Important Goals and Objectives, Facades of buildings... 1. Disagree with, cause more problems than solving, should be a trigger to provide variation (Sager) 2. Reduce from 120' to some other dimension, ? percentage basis? (Taddonio) Page 37,2.0 Site Design, Landscape 1. Defend plantings from wildlife with fencing (Pettyjohn) Page 41, A. Fall River, The Most Important Goals and Objectives in the Corridor, Stanley Historic District, This large, open... 1. Delete “large, open area” (Amos) COMMENTS FROM TAC - DESIGN STANDARDS (DS) Roger Thorp: • Page 7, paragraph 2, - define ‘corridors’, owner awareness/response • Page 12 - “Deciduous shade trees...” Specify where, highway frontage, parking lot • Page 15 - change pitch requirements to stay at 6/12 with height restrictions G3.11 - Intent? Change exterior elevations • Page 20, S 1.1 - Conflicting sentences, allow courtyards, give 1-2' setback option in downtown • Page 21, S1.12 - clarify last sentence, not defined well enough to understand • Page 25-26, Need controlling access and curb cuts, improve safety • Page 30, S2.1, “native plantings”, require chemical to weather rocks Larry Gamble: • Boulder County recently completed Scenic By-way Standards, identified Estes Park, suggested inclusion of Highway 7 CLOSING COMMENTS Director Stamey expressed appreciation for cormnents, concerns and issues on this first draft which he will update RNL. EVPC is awaiting Larimer County comments. A revised document will not be available for the June 23rd EVPC Meeting. Chair Sager invited all present to the June 23rd meeting at 2:00 p.m. BRADFORD PUBLISHING CO.RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Estes Valley Planning Conunission - Study Session June 22,1998 Page 4 4. ADJOURN There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 10:18 a.m. Roxarme S. Botic, Recording Secretary