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Town of Estes Park, Larimer County, Colorado, September 18, 2019
Minutes of a regular meeting of the Transportation Advisory Board of the Town of
Estes Park, Larimer County, Colorado. Meeting held in the Room 202 of Town Hall on
the 18th day of September, 2019.
Present: Gordon Slack
Belle Morris
Janice Crow
Stan Black
Linda Hanick
Tom Street
Also Present: Trustee Carlie Bangs, Town Board Liaison
Greg Muhonen, Public Works Director
Vanessa Solesbee, Parking & Transit Manager
David Hook, Engineering Manager
Megan Van Hoozer, Public Works Admin. Assistant
Elias Wilson, Public Works Admin. Assistant
Absent: Ann Finley
Ron Wilcocks
Scott Moulton
Chair Morris called the meeting to order at 12:03 p.m.
PUBLIC COMMENT:
Four members of the public were in attendance: Tom Hannah, Pat Newsome, John
Long, Ted Williams
Tom Hannah, Estes Park resident and business owner, was in attendance and shared
being that he feels the Downtown Estes Loop is a good idea with his only opposition
due to the impact to Riverside Park near the winery. It currently provides a lot of shade.
John Long, retired Executive Director of Bike Houston advocacy group joined the TAB
on the recent bike ride around Estes Park. Long praised the Town of Estes Park for the
design and construction on 4th Street using the complete streets principals. He believes
this is a good example for future street rehab within the Town. John and the other riders
went to the area between 36 Hwy & 7 Hwy near the schools and Estes Valley
Community Center. At the 7 Hwy crossings John and others on the bike ride witnessed
pedestrians attempting to cross the road at the crosswalk. Even with the rapid flashing
beacons many individuals appeared to run for their lives. Many c ars at this intersection
did not yield until the pedestrian stepped out into the crosswalk. There clearly needs to
be additional measures taken to increase the safety of pedestrians and bikers.
Trustee Bangs asked what statistical data would be needed to help determine how to
increase pedestrian and biker safety. Manager Hook commented that this might be a
situation where there is a need for increased driver education. Member Crow
questioned whether the law applied to pedestrians who were in the crosswalk or those
waiting to cross. Crow asked if a change to the law would be required. Chair Morris
shared that an individual’s line of sight narrows dramatically at speeds of 35-40 mph.
Part of the issue at this particular intersection may be that drivers do not see the
crossing beacons because they are perhaps out of their line of sight.
Pat Newsome, a long-time resident of Estes Park for over 40 years, and property owner
for 50 years, was in attendance and shared her negative feelings towards the
Downtown Estes Loop project. She shared that while she welcomes newcomers to
Estes Park, many people see the town as a place that needs improvement. Newsome
commented that she has never heard of, nor met anyone living in Estes Park that
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supports the Loop project. Newsome commented that Baldwin Park is filled with
children playing throughout the Spring, Summer, and Fall and the Loop would take
away this space. Newsome advocated that Estes Park needs to stay beautiful and
maintain its open spaces because it is the reason that people come to visit. She
communicated that the basis of the Loop is to get visitors into Rocky Mountain National
Park (RMNP) more efficiently even though RMNP doesn’t want more visitors.
Newsome also wanted to share her displeasure with the planned roundabout at
MacGregor Ave. & US 34. She believes the problem with the motor vehicle accidents
could be addressed by installing reduce speed signs rather than a roundabout. She
concluded by stating that these major changes are ruining Estes Park.
Ted Williams and his wife are business owners in Downtown Estes Park. Williams
attended all of the recent parking meetings hosted by Parking & Transit Manager
Vanessa Solesbee. Solesbee invited Williams to come to TAB to present his thoughts
about the importance of parking to business. Representing the Estes Park Chamber of
Commerce, Williams distributed a handout which highlighted the Downtown Commercial
District intent and the desire for a public/private partnership to come up with a parking
solution in the downtown core.
Member Slack asked Williams for specific recommendations regarding the number of
spaces needed in downtown and where these spaces should be placed. Williams did
not have an exact number. Slack expressed that the TAB is very open to suggestions
and that there is no argument that Estes Park needs more parking spaces. TAB is
struggling to find answers and perhaps a needs assessment for parking would be
helpful. Williams shared that businesses feel like the Town Trustees ask what
businesses need and when they express the need for more parking, they’re told that
they won’t get more parking.
Member Crow asked Williams for options that the TAB could consider for the benefit of
downtown business owners. Williams suggested that we look at the ratio of cars to
businesses to help make a determination of parking needs. Member Street explained
the need for optimization of the parking structure and that the structure is the downtown
parking option. Trustee Liaison Bangs invited Williams for a discussion to gain further
understanding of the issues and how the Town can help.
Chair Morris requested approval by the TAB to request a youth from the organization
Youth in Action, attend TAB as a non-voting member. A motion was made and
seconded (Slack/Crow) to approve adding a non-voting Youth in Action Participant to
the TAB and all were in favor. Chair Morris will be responsible for selecting the young
member.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
It was moved and seconded (Slack/Black) to approve the August meeting minutes and all
were in favor.
PROJECT UPDATES (V. Solesbee – Parking & Transit Manager)
Bustang Update: Manager Solesbee provided an update on the ridership for Bustang. The
ridership numbers this month started strong, then dipped, returning strong this past
weekend. CDOT considers the pilot program a success. Bustang is offering kids under 11
a free ride.
Parking: As of last week, 4% more citations were written in 2019 then were written in 2018.
No inclusion of voided tickets or warnings.
PAID PARKING ANALYSIS (V. Solesbee – Parking & Transit Manager)
Manager Solesbee will be attending the Town Board Study Session October 8, 2019 to
provide data from the 2019 season and begin discussions for Phase II of the Downtown
Parking Management Plan (DPMP). Solesbee requested the TAB to attend the study
session on October 8th. Director Muhonen explained to the TAB how Phase II fits within
the budget process.
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Manager Solesbee provided to the TAB, a revenue analysis on the expansion of paid
parking and stated the importance of being honest with ourselves on cost. This analysis
was produced in response to the research that has been conducted on parking is Estes
Park. Solesbee presented a progressive pricing model for paid parking.
Member Slack stated that the goal is not to make a bunch of money, just to modify
behavior. Member Black asked Solesbee if the technology will have ability for market
pricing. Solesbee replied that Scenario E offered this option. A modified dynamic pricing
system would impact tourists more than a progressive system but a progressive system
would impact residents more. Solesbee stated that Scenario E is her preferred option.
Member Slack commented that starting simple and communicating scenario A or B makes
the most sense. Muhonen shared that the existing signs and time limits stay in place (great
simplicity, higher risk of citation, etc.) and that scenarios C and D reduce the citation
component because they are able to pay for as long as they decide to stay. Muhonen
emphasized the convenience for user but stated that there needs to be turnover.
Member Street questioned what percentage of lots would be paid. Solesbee replied that
Phase II would implement 30% of downtown parking to be paid in 2020. Street responded
that if not all parking is paid there will still be congestion issues with people waiting in the
free lots. He commented that all downtown parking needs to be paid. Member Black stated
his agreement with Street that this may contradict the goal. If we don’t do it all at once, we
will be unable to gather accurate data at the end of Phase II. Solesbee replied that the
downtown business community holds various viewpoints on the implementation of paid
parking. There are currently 1,200 parking spaces in the core. Solesbee mentioned the
importance of implementation along with education while remaining sensitive to the
amount of change. Solesbee is also identifying employee areas and exploring both paid
and unpaid permit possibilities. TAB needs to review additional data before making
assumptions and implementing solutions. Solesbee adopted a conservative estimate of
$200,000 in startup costs projecting that, in the first year, all scenarios lose money and
make a profit in the following year.
Member Black questioned the basis for assuming an increase in revenue. Solesbee added
this to the list of considerations. Black also questioned the 2024 revenue and cos t.
Solesbee will compile and present further information on this subject. A four -month season
will be used moving forward. Black expressed concern that the projections for the month
of May are equal to that of June. The counts for May and September are too high.
Solesbee suggested lowering or discounting the price of parking in May. Black questioned
the assumption of increased revenue and on the basis for the assumption. Solesbee will
take a closer look at this assumption.
Discussions continued regarding treatment of residents versus visitors. Black suggested
the TAB create more opportunities for residents to shop downtown rather than feel the
need to travel. He advocates for free parking for residents (1-hr) since there was a
commitment to the residents for different treatment. Hanick agreed that parking isn’t a
primary issue with residents coming downtown, it’s the traffic. Hanick commented that she
will shop in town regardless, but will not spend 4 hours shopping.
A motion was made and seconded (Slack/Street) for residents to have 15 minutes free. A
second motion was made by Member Black to increase this time allowance to 30 minutes
and Member Crow seconded. Member Slack withdrew his previous motion. The vote was
4 to 2 vote in favor of 30 minute free parking for residents.
A motion was made and seconded (Street/Hanick) that a letter be written to the Town
Board by 11/1/2019 recommending Scenarios D or E with a price point that is selected
and established by the Town Board. The vote was 5 to 1 in favor of this letter.
Manager Solesbee suggested that TAB could benefit from meeting with the Shuttle
Committee at the regularly scheduled December meeting.
Morris asked when a work session could be set up with Ted Williams. Trustee Bangs
agreed to reach out to Williams to further discuss the parking issues in downtown. Member
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Black stated that the Chamber of Commerce Board of Directors should be included in the
meeting.
PROJECT UPDATES (G. Muhonen – Public Works Director)
Muhonen attended an all-day meeting with Larimer County area traffic engineers. The
relevant topics included bike lane markings and symbols. A poll was taken from the
different engineers in attendance on policies and justifications. Boulder now mandates the
use of green backgrounds for all bike symbols and requires them in conflict zones between
cars and bikes. Fort Collins has decided to stick with the typical white on black colors and
don’t want green backgrounds except for bike/car conflict zones. Greely is increasing the
6 inch lane line to 8 inches. Boulder has done accident research and analysis in regards
to bike lanes and found that green backgrounds reduce the number of biking accidents
and deaths. CDOT is now requiring 6 inch lane lines and will be implementing this on edge
lanes only.
Special events in Estes Park have been handled informally regarding traffic control. There
is a proposal for closing US 36 for a Vintage Car Race Rally, which has introduced
questions about special event traffic control. Universally, all applicants for events that
impact traffic, whether pedestrian or vehicular, must submit a traffic control plan.
PROJECT UPDATES (D. Hook – Engineering Manager)
US 36 & Community Drive Roundabout: A public meeting for the US 36 & Community
Drive Roundabout project on Aug. 29 at the Estes Park Museum. The feedback received
was mixed, with the majority being opposed to the roundabout.
Brodie Avenue Improvements: Work continues to progress with curb and gutter
beginning to be replaced. The work underground is complete and all work occurring is
now above ground.
Co-Chair Street commented that the ‘Trail Closed’ sign is still up but the bike lane is
open for use. Manager Hook will follow up on the signage.
Fall River Trail: Hook informed the TAB that both the Fall River Trail grant applications
were denied. One was submitted to Great Outdoor Colorado (GOCO) and the other for
the Federal Lands Access Program (FLAP). Hook stated the grants were denied due to
the fact that other submitted projects were focused on finishing connections, whereas
the application submitted by Estes Park was asking for was a middle section of a trail to
be completed. Muhonen commented that the Estes Park application also did not identify
how RMNP would be tied into the trail plan.
The pavement markings have been completed on both the 4th Street and Elkhorn
Avenue projects. The Downtown Wayfinding, Cleave Street project, and Graves Avenue
design are pending.
TAB 2020 PRIORITIES:
Chair Morris distributed the updated TAB Priority Matrix for review. No additional time was
available to discuss the matrix but will be discussed at the next regularly scheduled
meeting.
OTHER BUSINESS
With no other business to discuss, Chair Morri s adjourned the meeting at 2:38 p.m.
Recording Secretary
Megan Van Hoozer, Public Works Department