HomeMy WebLinkAboutMINUTES Estes Valley Planning Commission 2010-09-21RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
Regular Meeting of the Estes Valley Planning Commission
September 21, 2010,1:30 p.m.
Board Room, Estes Park Town Hall
Commission:
Attending:
Also Attending:
Absent:
Chair Ron Norris, Vice-Chair Betty Hull; Commissioners John Tucker,
Alan Fraundorf, Doug Klink, Steve Lane, and Rex Poggenpohl
Chair Norris, Commissioners Tucker, Fraundorf, Klink, Lane, and
Poggenpohl
Director Joseph, Town Attorney White, Planner Chilcott, and Recording
Secretary Thompson
Vice-Chair Hull, Planner Shirk, Town Board Liaison Elrod
The following minutes reflect the order of the agenda and not necessarily the chronological
sequence.
Chair Norris called the meeting to order at 1:30 p.m. There were 21 people in
attendance.
1. PUBLIC COMMENT
Johanna Darden/Town resident commented about the Estes Valley Comprehensive Plan
as it relates open space and the funding of improvements at Bond Park. She also
disagreed with the Estes Valley Development Code (EVDC) revisions pertaining to. elk
and deer preservation.
2. CONSENT AGENDA
Approval of minutes from August 17, 2010 Planning Commission meeting.
3.
It was moved and seconded (Poggenpohl/Klink) that the consent agenda
approved as presented, and the motion passed unanimously with one absent.
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MARYS LAKE LODGE AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN 00-07D, Lot 3, Marys Lake
Lodge
Director Joseph reviewed the staff report. He pointed out a typographical error on page 3
of the staff report. The report should read “Per the submitted Parking and Circulation
Management Plan, the Upper Lot will be reserved for the Lodge Haus and the
condominiums in this area, and will not be available for those attending events and
staying in the Reunion House.” Director Joseph stated this project was continued from the
June Planning Commission meeting, and now includes revisions and enhancements to
the parking management plan and the site plan. Director Joseph reviewed the staff
findings and recommendations as listed in the staff report. He stated the Building Division
has made substantial progress in closing out open building permits that were a point of
discussion at the June meeting. The vast majority of open permits have been finalized
and closed, with only three high-level permits and several miscellaneous permits still
being unresolved. Town Attorney White clarified that the Estes Valley Development Code
allows the Community Development Department to withhold issuance of building permit
applications when there are open and unresolved permits on a property. Director Joseph
expects to have all open permits finalized before any new permits are issued. He stated
the stormwater drainage project and the shared parking agreement have both been
approved. Director Joseph stated the Community Development Department received
additional public comment since the last public hearing on this matter. A correction to
condition #8 should read the mylars are due October 30, 2010. Staff recommends
approval with conditions as listed in the staff report. The Planning Commission is the
decision-making body for this application.
Staff and Commission Discussion:
Director Joseph stated the revised parking plan is adequate, meets Town requirements,
and has addressed the points and concerns that came up in earlier discussions.
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Commissioner Poggenpohl disagreed with the condition involving the issuance of
Certificates of Occupancy, stating it was the Building Division’s responsibility, and would
be in favor of striking that condition of approval. Director Joseph stated the condition of
approval was included to emphasize the importance of getting the outstanding permits
closed out. Commissioner Fraundorf questioned the acceptance of using a golf cart for
transportation from the off-site parking area.
Public Comment:
Frank Theis/Applicant’s representative stated the applicant had no issues with the
conditions of approval recommended by staff. Mr. Theis stated because this was the last
building in a rather large development, it was appropriate to be required to clear up any
unfinished items. Commissioner Poggenpohl withdrew his objection to the condition of
approval addressing unresolved building permits. Mr. Theis clarified that all of the parking
in the Marys Meadow area was designated employee parking. In the event that space
goes away, all employees would be required to park in the most-distant section of the off
site parking area. It was anticipated that many of the guests attending an event at the
Reunion House would also be condominium renters; therefore, not taking up additional
parking spaces. If guests were coming from off-site, the managers would require that
parking areas be provided with a shuttle service. Mr. Theis clarified the applicant was not
requesting a variance, but asking for a waiver from the maximum distance that off-site
parking can be located in relation to the primary entrance.
Don Debey/Applicant has been working with the HOA to address the unpaved parking
area. Due to the summer traffic, the asphalt work was postponed. The asphalt work has
now been completed and the stop blocks and striping are in the process of being
completed. The current unpaved area is designated for the permeable pavers. He stated
this summer was his busiest ever, and the extra parking spaces now designated for
employee parking were not needed for customers. There were parking spaces utilized at
Rocky Mountain Church in accordance with an existing agreement.
Commissioner Lane was concerned about the credited amount of pervious coverage from
the pavers compared to the actual pervious coverage of the pavers. Commissioner Klink
suggested a code revision be made to establish permeable coverage standards. Chair
Norris directed staff to proceed with a problem statement for a code revision. After a brief
discussion, Mr. Theis stated the applicant was willing to acquire a street-legal vehicle for
the shuttle service.
Johanna Darden/Town resident did not support this amendment to the development plan,
specifically the term of the parking agreement with the church and employee parking.
Peter Scott/Marys Lake property owner stated the parking would be inadequate. Referring
to the addition of a stairway off the deck of the ballroom, he did not think this would
change the perception that the main entrance was located on the east side of the building.
He stated the architecture and design of the west side would continue to lead guests to
believe that was the main entrance. He spoke at length about on- and off-site parking
issues that occur throughout the year, the requirement of a shuttle “bus", and the
unresolved building permits. He was concerned about overlapping times of peak-usage
and how that would affect parking. Mr. Scott stated approval of the use of permeable
pavers to comply with lot coverage requirements would set a precedent for future
developers to be able to use permeable pavers instead of creating open space. He was
concerned about guest safety on unpaved paths in the area of the wedding platform. Mr.
Scott questioned the load capacity of the pavers, stating the HOA would ultimately be
responsible for repairs and maintenance. Mr. Scott would be supportive of a financial
guarantee to ensure the project will be completed. He did not support the approval of this
amendment to the development plan.
Carol Hadley/Marys Lake property owner stated she has a vested interest in this
development and wants it to be successful. She was concerned about the enforcement of
unresolved building permits and what, if any, recourse the property owners would have
with the unresolved issues. She questioned the use of pavers with multiple uses in one
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location: parking areas, green areas, and drainage areas. She disagreed with the
approval of the drainage plan “in concept” by the Town Engineer, stating the specifics
should be finalized prior to approval.
Lauren Scott/Marys Lake property owner did not support the number of waivers
requested, and thought the building was too big for the site. As a homeowner, she wanted
the project to be successful, but also wanted to be able to park at and enjoy her unit. She
stated the agreement with the church indicates no overnight parking is allowed, and was
concerned about where she would park if she could not find parking close to her unit late
at night.
Chair Norris closed public comment.
Staff, Commission, and Applicant Discussion:
There was extensive discussion concerning the weight capacities of the pavers, adequate
sub-grade preparation and drainage in the paver area, contractor certification for paver
installation, off-site parking, and the enforcement of the Parking and Circulation Plan.
Director Joseph stated the aggregate numbers of parking spaces complied with the
minimum parking requirements in the EVDC. Mr. Theis stated there were more than
enough spaces allotted for the property, and the restricted parking areas for guests would
prevent problems. Director Joseph stated if the Town was faced with an enforcement
situation. Staff would have the authority to enforce the Development Plan’s Conditions of
Approval. If a new owner were to purchase the property, he would be obligated to comply
with the conditions of approval, or apply for a revision that would require a Planning
Commission hearing.
There was discussion among Staff, Commissioners, Town Attorney White, and the
applicant about the operation of the home owner’s association (HOA). Mr. Theis stated a
body elected by the homeowners controls the management of the HOA. Mr. Debey owns
several units and, therefore, has a number of votes. Town Attorney White stated a Marys
Lake Lodge HOA representative will be required to sign the signature block on the
development plan. Mr. Debey, a non-voting member of the HOA board, stated he met with
the HOA several times concerning this project did not think a vote by the HOA was
required. He shared that no one from the HOA Board of Directors was in attendance nor
has voiced an opinion against the project.
Commissioner Lane stated his concerns about the permeable pavers qualifying for 100%
credit of the lot coverage requirement. Commissioner Klink agreed with his concerns. Mr.
Theis stated the applicant would be willing to comply with the manufacturer’s specified
permeability and make sure it meets the 50% lot coverage requirement for the entire
development plan; however, he would not agree to making any of these changes
retroactive to previously approved plans. Commissioner Poggenpohl suggested the
contractor certify the pavers were installed according to the manufacturer’s instructions,
and that the load capacity was adequate for the types of vehicles using the area. Chair
Norris stated he reviewed Sections 1.3.A and 1.3.H of the EVDC to assist with his
decision for this project.
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It was moved and seconded (Lane/Poggenpohl) to approve the Amendment to
Development Plan 00-07D with the following conditions, and the motion passed 5-1,
with Commissioner Klink voting against the motion, and Commissioner Hull absent.
Conditions:
1. Compliance with:
a. Estes Valley Development Code;
b. Approved Development Plan DP 00-07D;
c. Approved architectural plans;
2. Construction plans shall be subject to review and approval of Upper Thompson
Sanitation District, Town of Estes Park Public Works, Light and Power, and Town of
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Estes Park Water. Construction plans shall be approved prior to application for any
permits.
3. Construction plans shall bear an engineer’s stamp and include detailed drainage
information, including the proposed under-drain system. Permeable paver design
shall be included on the required construction plans, and shall have a loading rate
equal to local road construction standards or alternative approved by Town Engineer.
Construction plans shall include sub-base drainage collection system.
4. Prior to application for any new building permits:
a. The developer shall meet with Community Development Staff to discuss
development processes such as permitting, grading, fencing of limits of
disturbance, issuance of certificates of occupancy, revegetation, landscaping, and
post development requirements such as as-built plans and warranty periods.
b. The standard development agreement and form of credit shall be submitted,
reviewed, and approved by Staff. This development agreement shall account for
landscaping of the entire Marys Lake Lodge (Lots 3, 3A, and 3B), for tree
replacement as outlined in Section 7.5.J, and for restoration as required by Section
7.2.C.
c. An attested form of the parking agreement, and associated filing fee, shall be
submitted to staff for recordation.
d. All outstanding building permits shall be finalized.
e. The compactor and loading space shall be included on the site plan and relocated
and the loading space marked as “no parking loading zone."
5. Prior to issuance of a certificate of occupancy (including temporary), the following
issues must be addressed:
a. Parking Lot Markings shall comply with requirements set forth in the development
code.
b. Wheel stops shall be installed in all locations where curbs are lacking.
c. Conduit, meters, vents and other equipment attached to the building or protruding
from the roof shall be screened, covered or painted to minimize visual impacts.
This applies to the entire site, not just this building.
d. ADA parking spaces shall be marked and signed in accordance with Section
7.11 .J4. This applies to the entire site, not just this building.
e. Engineer’s certificate verifying the stormwater management plan for the entire
Marys Lake Lodge site (Lots 3, 3A, and 3B) has been fully implemented shall be
submitted.
f. Engineer’s certificate verifying the permeable pavers have been installed per the
approved construction plans.
g. Verification the shuttle service vehicle(s) are legal for operation on public streets.
6. Compliance with the following memos from reviewing agencies, and filed with the
application:
a. From Public Works/Utilities to Community Development, dated June 1,2010.
b. From Greg White to Community Development, dated June 7, 2010.
c. From Xcel Energy to Community Development, dated May 18, 2010.
d. From Fire District to Community Development, dated May 10, 2010.
7. The development plan shall be revised as follows:
a. The trash compactor and loading space locations shall be clearly delineated on the
development plan.
b. The sidewalk shall be included in the Legend, and the “section” include
sidewalk/curb material (concrete).
c. The Impervious Coverage calculation on page one shall be updated to include
itemized (per area) and cumulative square footage of the permeable pavers area.
Impervious coverage calculation shall account for the impervious area of the
pavers to be installed with the final phase.
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8. Pursuant to Section 3.2.D, the revised development plan shall be submitted in mylar
form, with appropriate signatures, no later than October 21,2010.
4. REPORTS
a. Director Joseph reported there were no staff-level reviews nor pre-application
meetings since the last Planning Commission meeting.
b. Director Joseph reported the County Commissioners approved the amendments to
the EVDC concerning A-1 Density Clarification.
c. Director Joseph reported the County Commissions voted to continue the rezoning
request for Aspen Brook PUD to another meeting.
d. Director Joseph reported the Town Board reviewed the EVDC amendments
concerning small wind turbines. The Town Board voted to continue the item to the
September 28, 2010 Town Board meeting. Once approved, it will move forward to
the County Commissioners.
e. Director Joseph reviewed the problem statement for duplex subdivisions. This
would be considered a clarification of the EVDC, to remove the current restriction
for common-wall land ownership product to three or more units. He stated this
common-wall land ownership should also be an option for duplexes, and that the
issue was largely an unintended consequence derived from the terminology used
in the EVDC. From a planning standpoint, it makes sense to have a fee-simple
property line sitting under a common wall between two adjoining units, whether it is
a duplex, triplex, or something larger. Staff was looking for direction on how to
proceed with the problem statement. It was the general consensus of the
Commission to provide this problem statement to the Town Board for approval.
f. Planner Chilcott reviewed the problem statement for PUDs that was approved by
Planning Commission and Town Board earlier this year. The problem statement
included the consideration for PUDs on lots smaller than three (3) acres. Planner
Chilcott reviewed the purpose of the problem statement; to allow creative
approaches to development to meet multiple community needs such as affordable
housing, open space, etc. and to investigate how the PUD regulations could be
revised to make them more flexible. Staff and the Planning Commission reviewed
numerous PUD ordinances from other communities to assist in determining what
elements might be included in the code revisions. The next steps would be to look
in more detail at the benefits and unintended consequences of making no change,
major change, or targeted changes to the existing code. Engaging the public would
be another major step in the process. The problem statement directed Staff and the
Planning Commission to complete these next steps by the third quarter of 2010,
and review the findings with the Town Board. The desired outcome would be an
analysis of the current PUD regulations compared to other communities, a
summary of public comment, and general recommendations for changes.
In May, 2010, there was discussion about what achievements the Planning
Commission wanted to see pertaining to PUD regulations. In July, 2010, the
Planning Commission directed staff to recommend a process to help articulate the
desired outcomes and ways to actively engage the public.
Planner Chilcott reviewed several tools available to help communities identify the
desired outcome: visual preference studies (VPS) to help visualize a particular
area; public participatory GIS using three dimensional modeling and virtual reality:
simple hand-made box city models to visualize bulk or types of uses. Staff
recommends using visual preference studies as a way to help generate discussion
about the desired outcomes for particular areas. They can engage the public by
using photos of existing development and potential development or redevelopment
that could occur. The design of the study would be flexible and could be tailored to
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fit our needs. The VPS would not require additional resources, whereas the GIS
method would require more technical experience at a higher cost.
Planner Chilcott reviewed a study done in New Castle, Colorado that looked at the
layout of the community and surveyed the public for preferences. The public was
allowed to comment on each layout sample. Denver also used this model for the
redevelopment of the downtown area. The studies could be completed in stages.
Planner Chilcott reviewed another study from Hughesville Village, Maryland, that
used building types as drawings in order the review design standards. In any VPS,
a goal would be to eliminate as much bias as possible. Planning Commission
requested that complete copies of the studies be placed on the Town website.
Planner Chilcott stated public participation could take many forms: public hearings,
online surveys, committees including members of the public, charettes, etc.
Commissioner Poggenpohl suggested beginning by using methods that would
reach the largest number of people. Director Joseph clarified that in the sample
neighborhoods listed in the report for possible consideration, the school/fairgrounds
area itself would not be considered, but the neighborhood surrounding the schools
and fairgrounds could be a potential area of study. There was discussion among
staff and the Commission as to the size and specifics of any potential areas of
consideration, and comments were made concerning the importance to refer to any
areas as “examples” and “hypothetical” in order to not give citizens the wrong
impression of how PUDs might develop. Planner Chilcott explained that property
owners would continue to have the right following the “standard” development code
regulations and that development under the PUD regulations would be optional.
This would not place additional burdens on businesses; merely provide another
option for development or redevelopment. Some areas have potential for mixed
uses, a change in floor-area ratios, a change in height limits, etc., and the intent
would not be to make it more difficult for property owners.
Director Joseph stated the idea was to start small and iron out the process so the
citizens are comfortable with it before expanding the process to other
neighborhoods. Consensus from the Planning Commission and elected officials
would be required. He stated the point of a PUD would be to layer it over the
existing use by right, with new possibilities. Commissioner Klink was concerned
about the expense to property owners and/or their tenants. Care should be given to
not eliminate heavy commercial areas. Commissioner Tucker stated that using real
examples would bring out more public comment.
After extensive discussion, the Planning Commission suggested beginning with a
study of Cleave Street and a portion of Moraine Avenue that contains a mixture of
zoning districts. Staff could present information on a sample VPS, possible
community outreach methods, etc. Director Joseph explained this was a way to
discover what the public preferences are, but was not an effort to try to narrow the
realm of possibilities. It was an effort to expand the realm of possibilities.
Commissioner Klink was excused from the meeting at 3:50 p.m.
g. Chair Norris stated the key item coming out of the August 30, 2010 meeting with
the Planning Commission, Town Board, and County Commissioners was the
recognition that any contentious topics should be discussed jointly with all groups
in attendance.
There being no further business, Chair Norris adjourned the meeting at 3:55 p.m.
Ron Norris, Chair
Karen Thompson, Recording Secretary