HomeMy WebLinkAboutMINUTES Estes Valley Planning Commission 2016-09-20RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
Estes Valley Planning Commission
September 20, 2016
Board Room, Estes Park Town Hall
Commission:
Attending:
Also Attending:
Absent:
Chair Betty Hull, Commissioners Doug Klink, Nancy Hills, Steve Murphree, Sharry
White, Russ Schneider, Michael Moon
Chair Hull, Commissioners Murphree, Moon, White, Schneider, and Hills
Community Development Director Randy Hunt, Senior Planner Alison Chilcott,
Town Attorney Greg White, Town Board Liaison Ron Norris, County Liaison
Michael Whitley, and Recording Secretary Karen Thompson
Commissioner Klink
Chair Hull called the meeting to order at 1:30 p.m. There were approximately eight people in
attendance. Each Commissioner was introduced. Chair Hull explained the process for accepting public
comment at today's meeting. The following minutes reflect the order of the agenda and not
necessarily the chronological sequence.
1. PUBLIC COMMENT
None.
2. CONSENT AGENDA
Approval of minutes, August 16, 2016 Planning Commission meeting.
It was moved and seconded (Hills/White) to approve the consent agenda as presented and the
motion passed unanimously with one absent.
3. PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE ESTES VALLEY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
Adoptio'n of the‘2016 Estes Valley Master Trails Plan as an element of the Estds Valley'
Comprehensive Plan. Staff requests to continue this item to the October 18, 2016 Planning
Commission meeting.
It was moved and seconded (Schneider/Murphree) to continue the proposed amendment to the
October Planning Commission meeting and the motion passed unanimously with one absent.
4. PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE ESTES VALLEY DEVELOPMENT CODE REGARDING ACCESSORY
DWELLING UNITS
Planner Chilcott reviewed the data gathering process conducted by staff. Staff inquired with
Upper Thompson Sanitation District, Estes Park Sanitation District, the Town Water Department,
and the Larimer County Assessor regarding data they might be willing to share. The County
Assessor had the most complete data, as other entities did not collect systematic data. Larimer
County collects the following information for each building on a parcel: numbers of bedrooms,
bathrooms, sinks, wet bars, and kitchens (not a complete list). Staff collected data on the
numbers of second kitchen sinks and wet bar sinks in single-family dwellings. She showed a graph
indicating the number of second kitchen sinks/wet bars by zone district, explaining these numbers
account only for permitted kitchens/wet bars. The breakdown for second kitchen sinks/wet bars
by zone district is as follows: R-1 = 1, R = 36, E = 95, E-1 = 120, RE = 45, RE-1 = 36. Out of
approximately 7,000 parcels, staff determined about five percent (5%) of the housing stock in the
Estes Valley has a single-family dwelling with a second kitchen sink and/or a wet bar. Planner
Chilcott clarified this does not mean any or all of these homes have accessory dwelling units
(ADUs). The definition of an ADU includes the requirement of a kitchen.
Staff and Commission Discussion
Planner Chilcott stated ADUs tend to be fairly evenly spread across the Estes Valley. There are
approximately 330 dwellings in the valley with second kitchen sinks/wet bars, but there is no way
to determine if they are associated with an ADU. Discussion included, but was not limited to:
Planner Chilcott recalled the Estes Valley Development Code (EVDC) definition of a kitchen is an
oven, sink, and a refrigerator; the restrictions regarding rentals of ADUs was adopted when the
EVDC was adopted in 2000; an ADU is defined as having living, sanitary, and cooking facilities;
many times ADUs are discovered when the property owner wants to make improvements to
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them and applies for a building permit; many peopie do not reaiize the rental of ADUs is not
allowed; every community has different regulations, with college towns typically having tighter
restrictions regarding rentals than other communities
Commissioner Moon was concerned about the relaxation of the size requirement, and he would
prefer to leave size out of the discussion when we are trying to coilect data. He thought the only
incentive for people to come forward with the knowledge of having an ADU would be the promise
to be grandfathered in if there was a sunset clause. He liked the way it was stated now if a sunset
ciause was going to be involved, and 800 square feet seemed acceptable.
Commissioner White stated she was in favor of limiting the size of an ADU to 800 square feet, and
keeping the minimum lot size to 1.33 times the minimum lot size for the zone district. She was
concerned about blanket zoning of ADUs to all zones and lot sizes, stating it wouid create greater
density in neighborhoods, more parking issues, etc. She was concerned about enforcement. She
stated anything under one acre could be problematic, but would require additional study. She
reminded the Commission the data collected was about sinks, not ADUs.
Director Hunt stated this agenda item could be continued to next month if the Commissioners so
desired. There are currentiy five zone districts that aliow ADUs, and staff could determine how
many potentiai ADUs could be on parcels that are sized one acre or greater, using the statistics
provided by Planner Chilcott. He stated the data provided today was most likely as much as we
would be able to collect.
County Liaison Michael Whitley stated Larimer County has ADU regulations in the County Land
Use Code. The County Commissioners have concerns about intertwining the ADU issue with
workforce housing and vacation rentals. He has heard there would not be support from at least
two of the County Commissioners unless there were changes to regulations'on vacation homes,
including a cap on the number of vacation homes aliowed in the Estes Valley. Timelines on
vacation homes are moving forward, and this and the ADU timeiine will converge at some point.
The County Commissioners consider vacation homes and ADUs as being connected. Director Hunt
stated there would be some additional County information available at the October study session.
Public Comment
Pat Newsom/town resident stated single-famiiy residentiai zone districts should remain singie-
family, and was concerned about the increased density ADUs could create. There are additions in
town with strict HOA covenants, and other areas built before HOAs were formed, making it
difficult for some neighborhoods to have restrictions.
Jay Heineman/county resident agreed with Mrs. Newsom on the increased density in single-family
zone districts. There is zoning for a reason, and ADUs should be located in multi-family zone
districts. He stated it was unfair to the property owners that live here year-round, the unintended
consequences are numerous and would have a negative impact on singie-famiiy residentiai
neighborhoods.
John Phipps/town resident agreed with Mr. Heineman. The word "workforce" continues to be
used. The determination of whether or not a member of the "workforce" is living in an ADU is
non-enforceable. He thought the word "workforce" should not be used. He was concerned about
making a drastic zoning change by changing the uses ailowed. This is what happened with
vacation rentais, and he foresees the same issues coming up with ADUs. He stated there is no
distinction between an ADU and a duplex. He encourage the Commissioners to read EVDC 4.3 A,
which lists the purposes of each zone district. It was his opinion any amendment regarding ADUs
would violate these paragraphs. Mr. Phipps asked the Commission to consider the EVDC
definition of a family, and what might happen if the occupancy limit between vacation rentals and
ADUs was greater. He also wondered if it would be possible to have a home with an ADU used as
both a vacation rental and a long-term rental. He thanked the Commission for their hard work
and effort.
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Paul Brown/town resident stated he purchased his lot (in the town limits) in 1994. At that time,
ADUs were allowed on lots the size of his, which was one of the reasons he purchased it. In 2000
that right was removed, and he thinks that resulted in devaluation of his property. He would like
to have that right back so he could build an ADD so his children would have a place to stay. When
he purchased his lot, Larimer County did not allow ADUs. Two months following the purchase, the
County changed their regulations to allow attached ADUs and came through with detached ADU
allowances a few years later. He supports accessory dwelling units. He did extensive research on
ADUs a couple of years ago, and remembered there were approximately 400 attached and
detached ADUs in the Estes Valley. He submitted his research to the Community Development
Department at the time. As a designer and builder, he often receives requests from property
owners for ADUs.
Rita Kurelja/Housing authority stated there is a need for additional housing. The Town
participated with the Housing authority on a community-wide Housing Needs Assessment, which
brought about eleven recommendations. One of those was to adopt ADU regulations for
workforce rentals. There are many mountain communities that allow rental of ADUs, and she
stated there are ways workforce housing can be regulated. The housing situation is not going to
be improved with one large step, but rather needs to be done step-by-step. Allowing the rental of
ADUs is a small piece of the puzzle. This has been discussed for many years.
Mary Murphy/county resident stated as a realtor, she is very diligent about going on tour of the
new properties on the market to have a good understanding of what the housing inventory is. In
almost 14 years, she has seen very few home with second sinks that also have other kitchen parts
to make them an ADU. One cannot assume that the higher priced homes have attached ADUs,
and stated the majority of second sinks are in wet bars.
Fred Mares/town resident thanked the Commission for the discussion at study session. He was
opposed to this specific issue as a matter of principal; it would change the zone districts, with the
end result being no single-family zone districts. He thought it was a nice idea, but there was not
much behind the implementation or enforcement. He had many questions: How do you limit
ADUs to long-term rentals to the local workforce? How do you enforce that? How many are there
in the Estes Valley? If they are already rented, how will they help workforce housing? How will we
collect data? How will we control or limit new ADUs being built, and do we need to keep a limit
on them? He was supportive of workforce housing, but did not see how this will help. He stated
he has been involved with the vacation rental issue and thinks ADUs are totally related to
vacation rentals. He provided some statistics from the Town Clerk's office regarding vacation
rentals, stating the majority are 2-4 bedroom homes, which are also where the majority of the
workforce housing needs to live. He stated 12% of those 2-4 bedroom houses in the Estes Valley
are being rented as vacation rentals. These number directly affect ADUs and workforce housing.
If we really want to be a community, we really need neighborhoods and not just accommodations
zones.
Matthew Heiser/town resident lived in two ADUs when he first moved to the Estes Valley. He did
not attack his neighborhood, and being able to live in an ADU was what made it possible for him
to live here. As a current business owner with eight employees, there are people willing to live at
a camp site in order to work at his business. There is a definite need for workforce housing.
Joe Coop/county resident stated ADUs are already allowed, but only 20% of the properties qualify
to have a legal ADU. There needs to be some way to loosen up the code to allow ADUs. Removing
the minimum lot size is one step towards that change. On a regular basis. Van Horn Engineering
receives requests to design ADUs (mainly detached) for customers. There is a current proposed
project for small units with attached garages on % acre lots with ADUs above the garages. He
stated he would like to add an ADU above his detached garage, but is unable to do so with the
current regulations.
Public comment closed.
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Staff and Commission Discussion
Comments included but were not limited to: Attached ADUs are currently allowed, but cannot be
rented; zoning is in place for a reason, and this could have an impact on zoning; people are
shifting to smalier houses; zoning and density are concerns; unintended consequences could have
negative impacts; the sunset clause would not be enforceable; lack of enforcement and increased
density were concerns; concerns about de facto rezoning; concerns about how vacation rentais
wiii be intertwined with ADUs.
It was moved and seconded (Hull/Schneider) to continue this agenda item to the October
Planning Commission meeting, after the Commissioners will have received more information
about the vacation rentals issue and the motion passed 5-0 with one absent, and Commission
Murphy being absent from the dais at the time of voting.
Director Hunt stated the October Planning Commission Study Session will include discussion
regarding vacation rentais, with an additional Study Session to occur prior to the November
Planning Commission meeting.
B.
5. REPORTS
A. Director Hunt reported the County Commissioners voted to approve a code amendment to
the EVDC regarding the sequencing of when a Variance appiication is reviewed. This will allow
variances to be reviewed at the appropriate places during the review process. Formerly,
variances were always reviewed foliowing final action by the appropriate decision-making
body.
Director Hunt reported the Downtown Plan has been on hold for several months, due to a
transition in consultants. The new consultant's contract award is on the Town Board agenda
for next Tuesday. The Steering Committee has reviewed the new scope of work with the new
consultant. The new target date for completion of the plan is December, 2017. Thfe resuits will
be fine-tuned in-house, so the presentation to the pubiic will be delayed by a few months. He
stated the goal is to have the Downtown Plan adopted into the Estes Vailey Comprehensive
Plan in the Spring of 2018. Town Attorney White stated the previous consuitant's contract was
terminated for failure to comply with the terms of the contract.
Director Hunt reported the Temple residence and Bruell residence variances were approved at
the September Board of Adjustment meeting. A variance request for Lazy B Ranch &
Wranglers loading area location was disapproved.
Director Hunt reported Rex Poggenpohl was appointed by the County Commissioners as the
newest member of the Board of Adjustment.
Commissioner Schneider stated as the Commission prepares for any sessions and discussions,
he did not like surprises. He was not aware of the Brownfield Report (Habitat for Humanity
Development Plan) and did not appreciate being made aware of it during the pubiic hearing.
Director Hunt stated the essence of planning is predictability, and staff would do their best to
aiert the Commissioners of all the information in the file. Commissioner White stated it would
have been nice to have known about the erroneous statement made at the Planning
Commission meeting regarding the Brownfield Report, instead of finding out about it at the
Town Board meeting.
F. Commissioner White stated many times when Planning Commission is the recommending body
to the Town Board, staff presents a lengthy staff report to the Planning Commission, but does
not always present the same, elaborate information to the Town Board. She requested the
Planner making the presentation elaborate more on the Planning Commission decision in the
public hearing. Town Board Liaison Ron Norris stated when there is a difference of opinion, he
generaily discusses the matter during the Town Board Study Session, but not at the regular
meeting. He stated it may be more important to bring out those comments during the reguiar
meeting, not just at study sessions. Director Hunt stated staff is looking to improve internal
procedures and would like to consider adopting "findings of fact" with any motions, which are
different than staff recommendations.
G. Director Hunt stated he is aiways willing to hear additional feedback from the Commissioners.
D.
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There being no further business. Chair Huii adjourned the meeting at 3:00 p.m.
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Betty Hull, SEfeir
4ren Thompson, Re€ordjpg Secretary